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listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

being cross examined

"you said you received a copy of the white paper in 2009.. in August... two iterations prior to the release of the white paper? Do you have a copy?"

"I haveno idea where the paper went... I left that company, my laptop was replaced... you don't know the number of times that I wished that I would have kept that USB stick that I had... at the time I didn't know I would require it in the future."

"you're still quite sure both of the date and what you see?"

"I'm certain"

"was there any other communications between DrWright and you - email correspondence? SMS?"

"no"

"did you communicate with anyone else regarding this white paper?"

"not at the time... I've discussed it ad nauseum with people since".

"you said you were offered 50K Bitcoin..."

"early 2009... I've been around the impression it was the easter period.."

"regarding the summary of the agreed terms 2015... you said first priority was to get money to pay lawyers... did you become aware of the lawyers who withdrew?"

"there was a lot of meetings on a daily basis.. the lawyers, I had off the record conversations.. in a very difficult position.... ATO was a major client"

"in the contract of agreed terms... how much time did you use to negotiate the summary?"

"mcgregor was with me in Sydney somewhere between a week - 10days, a weekend... 70% was around doing due diligence, trying to understand what the companies in Australia had been doing, what value... how that value might be moved into new business enterprises... the tipping point for mcgregor was.. a store room... file room in Morgan office it had leverarch files 2.5-4inch around all the walls 2-300 files that represented the catalogue of research work accrued by OzIndustry... somehow mcgregor 'have a look at this document.. .the dates'... there were files/notes from 2006 describing aspects of blockchain and the technology that we're talking about today... mcgregor was an IP lawyer..."

"it's taking too long, how long did the agreement take?"

"one day...

"how did you come up with 1.5mill for IP?"

"we took an overall value of what we were prepared to put into a deal $15mill and broke it down into its component parts... we split the purchase price up within the various entities of the group"

"did you know how much the company paid for this IP?"

"I know what had been invested in research programs"

"DeMorgan group, those two software components were part of the assets.. doesn't mean that us an investor or acquirer would value those based on the purchase price... neither of those two pieces of software have been used by nChain"

"has any other IP been used?"

"some, very little". $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"regarding the proof sessions you said you can't remember the dates... after the Satre post did you discuss it with Craig Write.... before it was published?"

"No."

"did you discuss it afterwards?"

"I discussed the consequences... before it was posted... with mcgregor... he had the post in his possession and he was editing it. He was getting it concerned he was sending emails to Craig and was not getting replies... he was speaking to me and telling me he was editing it"

"we have some versions of the white paper... I want to show one of them... you said the version you saw had the term bitcoin... the only version we have... is this the version you saw?"

"no, I'm absolutely certain the version I saw did not have CraigSWright there or his email address. This looks almost like a final iteration version.... that block that has the names wasn't complete in the version I saw." $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"ultimately we ended up with the situation where it all fell apart in 2016"

"When was that?"

"4th of May was when a coin was meant to be moved and returned... a txn between SN and GA, I found out subsequently with JonMatonis he was also involved in moving the coin... coins didn't get moved.. a blog post "I'm sorry'.."

"who did that?"

"McGregor posted that in my presence."

"Why"

"to conclude this chapter"

"what was his motivation"

"I don't know."

"if I could take anything about his motivation... the next morning he came to my office and instructed me to fire everybody at nChain and close the office down... I said I'm not going to. He wanted to exit the investment/business... I went about finding additional funding and a private investment fund was secured...."

"which point in time did McGregor exit?"

"legally it was later in the year... he exited from any involvement from that day"

"a bumpy ride in the spring of 2016... did you change your opinion of who was Satoshi Nakamoto?"

"never. I know what I know, and I saw what I saw and my history is my history. I had personal discussions around these topics before BitCoin was released publicly." $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"you had two proofing sessions which I guessed you deemd as being successful..."

"well, they served the purposed to satisfy McGregor that Craig could sign using the keys in front of experts..."

"new public sessoins were discussed"

"a continued escalation that was occurring and the goal that was coming in to the discussion through and by McGregor was that it needed to be done publicly... Craig's position on that was that it's never going to be done publicly... I'm not going to do it publicly. I mentioned earlier that I was a mediator, that was every. single. day. of every week through that period I was trying to mediate differences of opinion between the two."

"looking at that process in hindsight, is there something you wished you'd done differently"

"I often think how things could have been different had I stood up and said no, and I don't want to be a part of this and this is not the direction that we should go."

"the pressure was that for McGregor?"

"Yes." $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

Proofing session with Andresen...

"was pretty much the same... signing of an NDA... discussion around what framework would be.. and then something different happened. Andresen and Craig sat next to each other with writing pads talking for an hour, hour and a half... a tutorial session... we then moved into the signing.. occurred same way as with Matonis. He said he needed to make absolutely sure and he wanted to do proof on his laptop, Craig said no. It was agreed he would go to a computer store, laptop was acquired from Curry's in Oxford Street... arrived box was handed to Gavin... he opened it, set it up, configured, downloaded what needed to be downloaded... he was the only person that touched or controlled that laptop. The same sesson was duplicated and at the end of the proof session... he sat quietly "I wondered what I would do if I ever came face to face with SN... I just want to say thank you." It was highly emotional, Craig was emotional... and that's where we left it for the day. $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"Jon Matonis recommended GavinAndresen... to accommodate constant pressure that was still coming for Craig to do a public signing"

"were you yourself present the proofing sessions?"

"I organised both and I was present for both.... a room in the business centre at the Covent Gardens Hotel in London"

"they took place quite some time apart... Andresen was reluctant to come to a proofing session without satisfying himself that he was coming for genuine reasons"

"how did those 2 persons.. Matonis.. was he actually convinced about the proofing session he had?"

"when he came he said it was no surprise to him... I had the strangest feeling at the time I was talking to SN... he told his wife that, she recounted the story later. Jon was keen to meet Craig and do the proof... he signed an NDA, spoke with Craig.. the framework was that nothing would leave the room, Jon could choose any three at random from the first 10 or 11 blocks and that DrWright would use that key to sign the message. From memory Matonis chose keys 1, 9 and I don't remember if it was 3 or 7 or 5... Craig had no idea which it would be... he came to the room with all the keys."

"these signings have been controversial... do you know whether Matonis maintained his conclusion from 2016?"

"Matonis ended up working for nChain for 8 or 10 months... he and I met for breakfast, I spoke to him about the signings/his blog posts... "Stefan you will notice I have never recounted what I said, I meant what I posted and I stand by it today..."

"when was this?"

"8 weeks ago" $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"when I got the phone call from the office about the Federal police being there, and then two mins later "have you seen the news services?" I also got a phone call fromt he lawyers to make sure i knew what had happened... their advice "this search warrant introduces another complexity...".. they introduced me to John Lackson(?)... he said he'd seen the search warrant, there was no reason to change any plans, continue as was planned.... Wright's to London."

"Did the outing change any of the priorities from nCrypt entities?"

"Yes it did, and it changed material, we went from original plan building a company around IP, engineering product/services... to high priority dealing with promoting Craig to the world as SN.... promoted by McGregor."

"Was DrWright happy with that?"

"No, I spent the majority of my days acting as a mediator between the two" $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"why were the proofing sessions arranged?"

"there was pressure daily on Craig to do public staged events with streamed broadcasts of him signing with keys as part of the mediation/negotiation on what Craig would/wouldn't do... it got to the point where he agreed that he would do a single private proof to somebody... at that point we didn't know who.

It was me that suggested to Craig that Jon Matonis might be a viable candidate for a private proof session given Jon's history in the bitcoin eco system... Craig agreed that Jon would be acceptable to him... and then I contacted Jon, he agreed... a proof session was set up. Craig put some boundaries as to what was to occur." $osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

"did you consider to co-operate with Gizmodo/Wired... to give them prepared statements?"

"No. This wasn't the plan that we were executing.. the outing of SN was not something that was a discussion point around the term sheet..."

"Andrew O'Hagan was retained to write CraigWright's life story"

"O'Hagan was retained initially around documenting the growth of what we know as the NChain group... over time it would grow into a very significant company organisation... it's always easier to document things as they earth, as the company grows rather than 10 years after the fact..
to write the history of the company from an informed position."

"it surprised me when he came and said he had retained a person to perform this role.. I thought it would occur significantly later down the track."

"O'Hagan was retained without proper non-disclosure amd contractual arrangements in place, what he published he published on his own.."
$osg

listening to Stefan Matthews on the stand in Norway GranathVsSatoshi

the judge asks "you said you worked on two terms.. why you kept the first version when you had a second version... can you explain why you needed two sets which don't conclude in the same way?"

it was BakerMcKenzie drafted the definitive agreement their advice "this one was superceded by that one... in the future someone is going to pick up a copy of something somewhere and it would be confusing."

"they named them distinctly differently and attached them with different numbers."

This is why a blockchain... a public record of what happened when.
Sometimes the timing is critical. $osg