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Since many were talking of "slavery" here...

If anything, Deggen would enslave the investor, not the other way around.

Totally. There can be regulations for the "invest in person"-thing, too. Would never say this should be completely unregulated. It is doable

Investing directly in apps, lets say participating a certain % of an "app's income" is a nice thought, too. I guess most apps would be offered by a company in the end, but not all.

Let us work through this as an example real quick.

And Probatus Ltd. is who? I guess Deggen, in the end.

Companies are a social and legal construct. They are essentially persons, real private persons.

But now we circle around

But since Deggen would set the rules and not accept any shady offers, I would not see a problem.-

You are in full control. The investor depends solely on you and the deal is mainly set by what you accept. Nobody can force oneself into your income!

This is a thought to watch closely

I think this is also what @255 mentioned at CG London with his "in and out" investment plan (not sure how it was called)

Next step is your private "main Deggen BSV wallet" to let investors participate. I agree it sounds scary though!

from that "main Baemail wallet" for a certain time? (all negotiable of course, question of details)

That would be interesting. Investors help you to scale, you have no risk taking the money other than let them participate from the income

Classic investing

Yes, "investing in app" and "investing in person" is not the same thing. Agreed!

The latter is not impossible though and should be doable via Bitcoin, as long as both sides negotiate a free deal. I dont know why so many argue like it was a thing by force

You are the company. Deggen is Baemail.

Nice to meet you, Liu. Sounds promising.

I know you are on Coingeek, too. Why not write an article about exactly that?

Sure, but nobody is forced to take the risk. I just want the opportunity, if I get scammed eventually, it is my problem.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I just raised a question + asked for a solution.

You go and build more - give people a chance to throw money at you, directly or via company. If you dont need extra money to scale your business, then god bless you!

You are afraid someone takes the investment and does nothing?

Bad luck for the investor then - if you invest in persons, you take the risk of them being psychopaths or thieves.

Its a higher risk investment for sure.

I say it again: it is based on free negotiation, so it does not even create a system as a system is set by rules

If something is freely negotiable, it is not set by rules

Better to discuss these things via vid chat, but I'll wait for @255 solution first

Question, Deggen, just brainstorming/example:

Someone gives you 50k in exchange for a 1% of your personal (!) yearly income for 5 years (just an example!)

You have no risk, he has it, but you have more money to scale/accelerate your work/ideas

Why not?

Loaning money to persons and get paid back in rates + interest would make me a bank

I want to see other solutions than being a bank though

Should be doable via Bitcoin, rest is negotiation

Right, I have no answers for that in detail - that is why I asked the question and said "Show me the future"

Let's wait for @255 he seems to have something planned. There has to be a way to do this via Bitcoin, the rest is negotiation and risk management

Not joking + @255 seems to have a solution coming for what I was asking for, so lets see what he has

Many people wouldnt take money with a fixed interest rate, but they could "pay back" with a "share" of their personal income. So they have no or less risk

discussion was not about whether companies as a legal entity make sense or not (btw: they do make sense)

question was if there is any way for investors to directly invest into persons, too

While most just talk, @255 did hint that he has a solution soon.

This will probably be interesting

If persons would be willing to directly let money be thrown at them in exchange for "a share of their income" they should be free to do so

Not being able to do so is closer to slavery than the idea of doing so itself

@255 did hint at he has some kind of solution or idea for what I asked for

Lets see

legal entities are a social construct after all

with benefits of course, and good reasons to have them

does not mean we have to stick to it though, there are cases where it would make much more sense for me to directly invest in persons if they agree

crazy how far this guy thinks ahead

am seriously excited

Slavery historically did not involve negotiations, so it is a bold statement to compare my question to slavery as a concept

I also did not say owning shares of companies = owning shares of a person

I said companies are persons, formed as a legal entity

Tell me how much

Then tell me how much % I get from your Bitcoin income for how long (all negotiable)

Ensure me via a technical Bitcoin solution that I cannot get easily scammed, so I can kinda audit myself or whatever (should be doable)

Its not stupid