I think the physical, mental and spiritual realms are all very real.
Post by wutao
There is only what is happening right now in your physical body and your immediate environment. Everything else, including "mental" and "spiritual" realms, is just the brain spinning stories.
Physical reality isn't a theory; it is what you can directly perceive right now through your senses.
It is persistent, verifiable, and exists whether you think about it or not.
Thoughts happen, but the "mental realm" isn't an independent reality.
"Mental" simply means the story-making machinery of the brain—your judgments, memories, predictions, theories, and concepts.
A thought is a real physical event happening in your brain right now, but the content of the thought is usually made up. The content of a thought is NOT made up only when it is a direct, non-interpretive description of a verifiable physical fact occurring in the present moment. Saying "the mental realm is real" leads people to confuse their interpretations with objective facts.
Talking about a "spiritual realm" is almost always an attempt to escape the uncomfortable, messy, physical present moment.
When people talk about spiritual realms, pineal glands, or higher dimensions, they are usually using abstract ideas to avoid feeling physical sensations in their bodies (like fear, anger, grief, or bodily pain) or to avoid being honest with the person standing right in front of them.
If "spiritual" means anything useful it simply means being completely present to raw physical reality without trying to edit, fight, or explain it.
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There's definitely spiritual aspects to reality my nigga. Look harder.
You're looking into theories, concepts, and invisible realms because looking directly at your own immediate physical reality is too uncomfortable.
Source: "I'm making this up"
"Physical reality isn't a theory; it is what you can directly perceive right now through your senses."
In other words: you have no more direct access to it than to the things you claim are "just the brain spinning stories".
You say "directly" but that is simply not true. We have no direct access to anything, certainly not the physical world. "Through the senses" is Indirectly, not directly. And then the information is processed by the brain...
The mind making up things is a real problem, I agree, but this problem is present in our perception of the physical world as well.
We have no idea what it would even look like without the mind spinning narratives and interpreting signals.
I don't care about philosophical debates over whether photons hitting your retina counts as "indirect processing."
If someone swings a hammer and hits your thumb, your brain will process signal pulses through your nerves.
You can write an essay explaining that your access to the hammer is "indirect," but your body will still scream, your blood pressure will spike, and your thumb will swell.
Physical reality is the pressure, pain, swelling, and physical limits of the organism.
The mental fantasy is the 300-word paragraph you typed to convince yourself that the hammer hits and your internal theories are the exact same category of illusion.
The practical difference is that I can ignore a theory about a "spiritual realm" or "simulation matrix" for 50 years and my life continues unchanged.
But if I ignore the physical reality of a oncoming bus or a lack of water because it's "just indirect sensory data," my physical organism dies.
Physical reality has consequences; mental stories just have arguments.
You want to debate epistemology.
I'm interested in living in my body.
Stay in the debate hall in your head. I'm already out on the porch enjoying the fresh air.
That's one way of responding to your argument being countered, I suppose.
Nobody is more taken by the mind than those who think they've overcome it.