Post by wutao

Y 1mo
1Gwece…AV6R Unverified · twetch

"Physical reality isn't a theory; it is what you can directly perceive right now through your senses."

In other words: you have no more direct access to it than to the things you claim are "just the brain spinning stories".

You say "directly" but that is simply not true. We have no direct access to anything, certainly not the physical world. "Through the senses" is Indirectly, not directly. And then the information is processed by the brain...

The mind making up things is a real problem, I agree, but this problem is present in our perception of the physical world as well.

We have no idea what it would even look like without the mind spinning narratives and interpreting signals.

1Jx44h…p7RX Unverified · twetch

I don't care about philosophical debates over whether photons hitting your retina counts as "indirect processing."
​If someone swings a hammer and hits your thumb, your brain will process signal pulses through your nerves.
You can write an essay explaining that your access to the hammer is "indirect," but your body will still scream, your blood pressure will spike, and your thumb will swell.
​Physical reality is the pressure, pain, swelling, and physical limits of the organism.
​The mental fantasy is the 300-word paragraph you typed to convince yourself that the hammer hits and your internal theories are the exact same category of illusion.

​The practical difference is that I can ignore a theory about a "spiritual realm" or "simulation matrix" for 50 years and my life continues unchanged.
But if I ignore the physical reality of a oncoming bus or a lack of water because it's "just indirect sensory data," my physical organism dies.

Physical reality has consequences; mental stories just have arguments.

You want to debate epistemology.
I'm interested in living in my body.
Stay in the debate hall in your head. I'm already out on the porch enjoying the fresh air.

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Y 1mo
1Gwece…AV6R Unverified · twetch
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That's one way of responding to your argument being countered, I suppose.

Nobody is more taken by the mind than those who think they've overcome it.