Which of my examples can you show socialism + time turned into fascism? I don't know the books you have read on socialism or fascism. There is a great speech by Mussolini that he gave to Confindustria where you get a good idea about what fascism is.
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Nazi Germany.
But the examples that spring to mind are the others about which commies say:
'They aren't REAL socialism/communism/whatever'
Fascism?
For me all radical-statist/collectivist movements are the same, with slight differences.
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Hitler's rise to power was always with the promise to eliminate the commies...he was allowed to assume his role because politicians thought he was gonna get rid of them. He used socialist promises to the SA before assuming power and then abandoned them.
Hitlers sworn enemies wete the marxists who he thought were a jewish-freemasonic plot to dominate the world or something
He was, however, a socialist through and through. Mein Kampf is a testament to that, unless he wrote it only to later fool socialists.
The point im trying to make to both of you is this:
When you give the state control over things it shouldn't be involved in at all, like the economy, education, property etc. What you get is more and more totalitarianism.
And that's no fun...
You clearly don't understand the difference between
Socialism
and
NATIONAL SOCIALISM
You need to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUWrgLpazwE
You don't understand events in history at all, or who the real enemy of the people are.
To me the enemy of freedom are those who don't honor individual rights of which one happens to be private property.
That includes the state.
Now since you can't take over the state and make it 'good' nor fight it with weapons, better solutions are needed
Brand or flavor of a totalitarian society, whether national or international or racial or whatever, doesn't make me like it any better or worse.
To me they are all radical statist totalitarians.
Usually they seem to suffer from a collective anal fixation.